Červená Barva

Červená Barva

Interviewer:  Gloria Mindock



Q:    You have published numerous books.  Please talk about them and your latest book Wild Strawberries.

A:    All of my books try to get beneath the surface of things, for I am a slave of irony.  In this light, one theme or concern that I’ve become aware of is human nature versus larger Nature.  I’ve always been concerned about the nature of man, & how we fit into Nature.   Another related theme is that things aren’t always what they seem to be.  I’m concerned about perception versus reality.  I think there may be magic hiding beneath what we normally consider the mundane.  I think poetry has a unique power to penetrate, to open doors of perception into a deeper, more wholistic vision.

In my most popular book, (available at Target, for godsakes) The Art Of Natural Fishing, I used fishing as a metaphor for how we live, & contrasted the materialistic approach to a more Zen-like one.  I used a narrative that describes a master-student relationship, in homage to two quintessential classics, Isaac Walton’s Complete Angler & Thoreau’s Walden.

In Whole Self/Whole World – Quality of Life in the 21st Century, I tried to address my social concerns directly, without metaphor.  I worked off & on for twenty-five years on that one.  I kept re-writing it, reformatting it, until it finally clicked.

Sea Dog – A Coast Guard Memoir (Presa Press, 2005) is a novel written in the form of a memoir.  It’s in the first person, naive, in homage to Mark Twain.  It was easy to write, because 90% of it actually happened to me while I was in the Coast Guard.  Although I call it a novel, it’s actually creative non-fiction.

My collection of Rimbaud translations (The Drunken Boat & Other Poems From The French Of Arthur Rimbaud, Presa Press, 2007) is another book that evolved over several decades.  I did the initial translations when I was in my early twenties.  Robert Bly & others encouraged me to do more.  Word built over time, & for each new edition I added six to eight new translations.  The current (4th) edition is bi-lingual.  The translation process for me is more like channeling or trying to tap into the original energy that inspired the poems.  I was pleasantly surprised that some of the critics were able to deduce my intuition-based methods.  It’s always gratifying to be understood.

In my poetry, I explore nuances & try to open perceptual doors.  I try to put layers of meaning into it, yet keep it simple on one level at least.

When people ask me which of my books is my favorite, I usually say “the last one.”  So, I’m still quite excited about Wild Strawberries & the even the newer one you’re publishing, Catching The Light – 12 Haiku Sequences, a collaboration with John Elsberg.  But, we’ll wait until people have seen it before we comment on that one.

Wild Strawberries collects the poems written since 2005.  Each poem in the collection was published first in a litmag or on the web.  It’s satisfying to see them together, greater than the sum of parts.  The major theme is that life can pass us by unless we are willing to stop & smell the roses, an age-old theme that still bears repeating in this period of decaying values, nihilism & social chaos.

In the first section (Wild Strawberries), the question of how we can be close & alive together in the face of time, space, alienation & decay is the prevalent theme.  The magic of Nature is contrasted to our human ability to perceive it & to the inevitability of decay & death.

In the second section (Edges & Spaces), a flood of images are presented, related in a non-linear manner, but nonetheless related.  In my ghazals, I use a free association that frees the images up from normal thought processes.  Bly used to always talk about leaping in poetry – associative leaps that reveal deeper meanings.  This was his greatest influence on me, though we now disagree on the use of the ghazal form, which seems to me a contradiction on his part.  So, section two draws the reader in deeper.  The poems in section one are more accessible, more obvious.

Section three (Lonely Planets) goes back to structured free verse, but the poems are more expansive & mysterious than those in section one.  Section one is more objectivistic, whereas section three uses more personal symbols.  Whereas the first section tries to get beneath the surface of things to see the hidden magic, the third section deals with spatial relationships & connection versus disconnection, not only between individuals, but also between man & Nature.  Again, the theme is seeing with new eyes, new perception.

Finally, section four is the 180-line poem For The Living Dead, the best long poem I’ve written.  (Nominated for a Pushcart & also as Best Poem of 2007 by Muses Review.)  For The Living Dead is a subtly complex work that balances humor & despair, the sacred & the profane, into a unified whole that works symbolically rather than through traditional metaphor.  It both contrasts & balances inner & outer personae.  The language ranges from prosaic to poetic, again, reconciled by the total effect.

As for new work since Wild Strawberries, in addition to the Catching The Light haiku, which took about seven months of collaboration with John Elsberg, I also collaborated on two chapbooks of a more experimental nature with Mark Sonnenfeld (Get It, Marymark Press, East Windsor, NJ. ISBN 978-0-0798819-0-9, 2007) & Richard Kostelanetz (PO/EMS, Presa Press, 2008).  I also have a collection of children’s poems, Worms Are Delicious, illustrated by Ronnie Lane, making the rounds.  I also have a novel that needs yet another re-write (Elephant’s Graveyard).  So many projects, so little time!


Q:    What year did you start Presa :S: Press?  How many titles do you publish a year?  What type of work do you look for?

A:     Presa Press was started in 2003.  In a five year period, we have published eighteen bound books, sixteen chapbooks & seven issues of Presa magazine, totaling 3,264 pages.  Now in our sixth year, we average four books, three chapbooks & two issues of the magazine per year.  We look for work that pushes the envelope in some way, whether that be the social/emotional boundaries, linguistic boundaries or perceptual exploration into unknown territory, done artfully.


Q:      You also publish a magazine called Presa.  What year did the magazine start?  Who edits it?  How many people do you have involved with the magazine?

A:    We started Presa magazine in 2005.  Editorial contributions are made by Hugh Fox, Harry Smith & myself, but the lion’s share of the work is done by Roseanne Ritzema, who has been promoted to editor as of the next issue (#8).  Larry Hill has completed his internship as our editor & wants to start a new small press of his own.  We also have a production crew made up of two brothers, Jim & Mark McMullen.  I still make the major decisions, but Roseanne & the McMullens do all the hard work that makes Presa & Presa Press possible.


Q:     Speak about what the small press is today.  What challenges do you think we all face?

A:     The small press today continues to be where the pure poetry is published, but the sense of common purpose has lessened, compared to the spirit of a movement that we had in the sixties & seventies.  I believe the levels of talent & commitment are high, but things are much more competitive among the newer presses & journals.  I think a business model has taken over to some degree.  I also see the effect of the proliferation of MFA programs.  There is no way to become an instant poet.  One must work it out by oneself & it’s a process that interacts with real life experiences.  MFA programs insulate students from the struggle of real life to a degree, & also tend to over-analyze & intellectualize what is essentially a non-rational, creative process.

The challenge for today’s publishers is to recognize & publish the genuine article, as I perceive you are doing with Cervena Barva.  I also believe that with the growth of MFA programs there has been a concurrent growth of university presses which cater to that niche & tend to squeeze out the independent presses in competing for bookstore shelf space.  Distribution continues to be a major challenge for the independent small publishers.  I also think a certain degree of eclecticism is a value we should promote.  In this way, poetry can promote diversity & tolerance.

Historically, the great poetry from any given period has come from the independent literary presses.  No major poet has ever been a professional English teacher.  We in the small press are carrying & nurturing the future of American literature no less.


Q:     You and Roseanne publish so many books.  Do you do the layout all yourself?  Talk about your process.

A:     We do all the layout & design ourselves.  I have personally designed all the covers, with graphic help from my daughter Anna, my son Karl & Roseanne.  We also do most of the actual printing.  The McMullens do the bindery work & some of the printing.

When we get a manuscript we want to publish, we decide if it’s a cut diamond or a rough one that needs more editing to bring out its best.  I have provided the titles for a large number of our books, & done major surgery on others.  On several occasions we’ve had all the poems laid out on a table while we came up with an order that was symmetrical or thematic.  We always produce the ‘guts’ of the book before I attempt a cover design.  Sometimes we create several alternative cover designs before we settle on one.


Q:     My favorite question!  How do you balance your time?

A:     I rise at 5 AM & by 6 or so I’m attending to literary work.  I like to see the sun rise every day, & it inspires me. I have that kind of energy in the mornings, usually.  It may be editing, correspondence, critical writing, or, if I feel really inspired, poetry.  Poetry is the only thing that can hit me at any time of the day or night.  Like most poets, I keep pen & ink nearby just in case.  By 11 AM I’m ready to go outside.  I have a group of friends that are mostly a decade younger, in their early fifties.  I usually go out kayaking, hiking or fishing with a friend or two until 6 PM or so.  After dinner, I may get a burst of new energy.  Sometimes this means more literary work & sometimes it means more outdoor activities.  I come inside at dusk & go to bed at 11 PM, usually.

The literary work itself is probably 50/50 my own work balanced with other people’s work or correspondence.  When asked what surprised him about running a publishing house, James Laughton (New Directions) replied that he didn’t imagine there would be so much correspondence.  Also, reading manuscripts.  We read hundreds of poetry submissions to the magazine.  The magazine greatly complicates our lives, but it just seems somehow right to do it.  Ultimately, small press publishing is an act of commitment & love.












Interview with Eric Greinke,” Cervena Barva Press Newsletter, Somerville, Massachusetts, June, 2008.